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that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the president? not really when you realize in deep south mississippi he got about 10%. a lot of his problem is in the south. it's just the historic problem the democratic party, white or black candidates have this problem having a tough time. also the battle for hillary's job. it's getting hot. it's the first big decision president obama has to make since his re-election. it looks like it's between john kerry and u.n. ambassador susan rice. will the president go with the 2004 presidential candidate or his apparent favorite? and a report from gaza and the latest on the fighting there that i think could lead to a war with ir
that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the...
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reagan in 1980. mitt romney was the ultimate remainder man. that's why they have an easier time of dumping on him right now. >> so the clown car has backed up to run over mitt romney. that's the image for the night tonight. >> yes, it is. >> like that woman who didn't like her husband, remember she drove over her husband in the parking lot and drove over him again. i don't want to get involved in that legal case but i do remember the pictures. let's go to john heilemann here. is this the clown car as howard beautifully put it backing up over the guy that outcorkoutdorm and won the election? >> some of these people are not certifiable clowns who are saying these things about romney though i don't disagree with howard's characterization in general. i do think -- >> gingrich -- >> i think it's fair to say that part of romney's problem was that he was really always an incredibly bad fit with the republican party on almost every level. he was not most of the things the republican party is today nor really
reagan in 1980. mitt romney was the ultimate remainder man. that's why they have an easier time of dumping on him right now. >> so the clown car has backed up to run over mitt romney. that's the image for the night tonight. >> yes, it is. >> like that woman who didn't like her husband, remember she drove over her husband in the parking lot and drove over him again. i don't want to get involved in that legal case but i do remember the pictures. let's go to john heilemann here....
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as ronald reagan said people can vote with their feet. >> jon: ultimate the federal government-- poor people, obviously their suz, the soles are not as quick, have trouble trouble with mobility in some sparse. you're saying the federal government should not be involved in education at all. >> no, the federal government should not be involved in education. >> jon: at all. >> or the constitution should be amended to reflect the consensus that it should. but when the federal government exceeds the constitution and it's the supreme law of the land, how can we trust the federal government to do anything? the federal government might even spy on the country tea chief spy because they think he's having an affair, even though that's against the law they've sworn to uphold. >> jon: if your argument is we can't trust the federal government to do anything how can we trust it to do anything, like fight wars or what it says in constitution to do. >> the constitution was created to give us checks and balances. the states were a check on the federal government. i know you're not going to want to hea
as ronald reagan said people can vote with their feet. >> jon: ultimate the federal government-- poor people, obviously their suz, the soles are not as quick, have trouble trouble with mobility in some sparse. you're saying the federal government should not be involved in education at all. >> no, the federal government should not be involved in education. >> jon: at all. >> or the constitution should be amended to reflect the consensus that it should. but when the...
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in 1976 ronald reagan told stories about the so-called welfare queen in an effort to scare white voters. and the very same lee atwater made the willie horton ad a key part of george h.w. bush's 1988 bid for the white house. and in 2012 the same ugliness took center stage in the gop primary. >> we know president obama is the best food stamp president in american history. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money. >> you're doing it because you care about america. paul and i have not promised you a bigger check from the government. >> as atwater said, the message is coded. but what he's getting at is crystal clear. joining me now is toure, host of "the cycle" here on msnbc, and the man who tracked down the atwater tape, james carter iv. he's an opposition researcher and the grandson of president jimmy carter. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> james, first of all, tell us how you got your hands on this tape. >> well, i started looking for it a
in 1976 ronald reagan told stories about the so-called welfare queen in an effort to scare white voters. and the very same lee atwater made the willie horton ad a key part of george h.w. bush's 1988 bid for the white house. and in 2012 the same ugliness took center stage in the gop primary. >> we know president obama is the best food stamp president in american history. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the...
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he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamant, president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you congressional republicans were happy with his response. they like to know there is some give. here's where the give could be, chris. nobody's talked about this. i mean, there's been some behind the scenes chatter on this, which is you could see tax rates temporarily go up just not all the way to 39%. it could be somewhere in the middle. ends up being the compromise for the one year. don't forget, this is all about setting the tax rates simply for 2013, while they negotiate larger tax reform. so, that could be what the wiggle room is. obviously, republicans have said they don't want to raise tax rates at all. they're fine wi
he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamant, president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you...
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seems a lack of dramatic communication skills of fdr, ronald reagan or clinton. obama frequently comes across as a teacher as a motivator. he fails to excite and motivate the miss st. although he isn't doing badly in the current campaigns. there was a recent article in the sunday edition of "the new york times" entitled obama please to win in politics and everything else. the author paints a picture of obama that gives a greater insight into him and how he might function as a second term president. i am quoting now from that article. four years ago barack obama seems as if he might be a deliberate professor of a leader may be with a touch of hawaiian he has turned out to be a voraciously competitive perfectionist and he says so in interviews. mr. alana's own words praise in say it best. he's a perpetually aspiring overachiever. as he faces off with romney, mr. obama has the will to win and the fear of losing is an overdrive kit you he screening for the debates against an opponent raising money in a frantic pace to narrow the gap in embracing tactics of an increas
seems a lack of dramatic communication skills of fdr, ronald reagan or clinton. obama frequently comes across as a teacher as a motivator. he fails to excite and motivate the miss st. although he isn't doing badly in the current campaigns. there was a recent article in the sunday edition of "the new york times" entitled obama please to win in politics and everything else. the author paints a picture of obama that gives a greater insight into him and how he might function as a second...
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reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors tomorrow. i'm tamron hall. you can watch "news nation" every day 2:00 p.m. eastern time. "the cycle" is up next. into their work, their name on the door, and their heart into their community. small business saturday is a day to show our support. a day to shop at stores owned by our friends and neighbors. and do our part for the businesses that do so much for us. on november 24th, let's get out and shop small. challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lig
reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors...
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when ronald reagan stood up for workers, when he stood up for the people and america did. and some good democrats did too. we were on the right side of history. >> we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid that it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border. >> the iraq/pakistan border. they do not share a border. iran was not training al qaeda operatives. ronald reagan did not cause the spring. that was his first year as governor of california. do you remember when up with chris hayes did the arm the ripples montage? >> we need to get a sanctuary for the free syrian army. we need to get them supplies. >> i do believe that as we have in the past, we can help facilitate weapons to get to the hands of the libyan military. those who are fighting against gadhafi. >> we should help them with arms. >> if not strategic air strikes, what if any military option would you think realistic and plausible? >> arming bosnians. >> his favorite approach bosnia, arm the rebels. his favorite approach to iraq, we should arm the rebels. his favorite ap
when ronald reagan stood up for workers, when he stood up for the people and america did. and some good democrats did too. we were on the right side of history. >> we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid that it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border. >> the iraq/pakistan border. they do not share a border. iran was not training al qaeda operatives. ronald reagan did not cause the spring. that was his first year as governor of...
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it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda. >> what about the republicans? are they going to do a big rethink here? >> yes, and more than one. it was interesting that the republican governors happened to be meeting this week in las vegas when this news about the interesting comments that romney made to his donors that we just saw and the republican governors, bobby jindal of louisiana did not miss five seconds before they really denounced what romney was saying. the republicans have a lot of things to think about, not of which is their growing problem with hispanic voters. that is the big growing group in this country.
it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda....
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if she ran and were elected in 2016 she would be younger than ronald reagan was when he became president. >> as appealing as jeb bush would be as a candidate, i think hillary has an advantage here because so many women, republicans as well, would love to vote for hillary clinton, put her as the first lady in the white house. >> i spent the last year in an election and refused to answer that question. [laughter] >> hillary clinton made a lot of friends as secretary of state. some of them were republicans, not traditional fans of clinton. jeb bush is a very likable candidate. but i'd guess that hillary is really -- she works hard at this nomination, she can unify the party big-time and i bet she'll have obama supporting her. chris: and especially if the economy is good the next four years. thanks for the great round table. that's the show. thanks for watching and don't forget that the victims of hurricane sandy are really hurting right now. especially after that new york, new jersey area. these tragedies hurting real families like yours. give them a lift. go to the red cross website. we'll
if she ran and were elected in 2016 she would be younger than ronald reagan was when he became president. >> as appealing as jeb bush would be as a candidate, i think hillary has an advantage here because so many women, republicans as well, would love to vote for hillary clinton, put her as the first lady in the white house. >> i spent the last year in an election and refused to answer that question. [laughter] >> hillary clinton made a lot of friends as secretary of state....
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that was tried by ronald reagan. nonsense. what are we continuing with this? the party has to show more empathy. not because i am successful i will think that everybody else is [indiscernible]. my parents instilled in the hard work. also, government systems or programs helped me to get an education. it helped me to be where i am today. host: loou is on the line from waterbury, connecticut -- lou. caller: i am a registered republican, but i have been voting libertarian since the mid-1990's. i agree with everything mitt romney has said. when ronald reagan was president, approximately 29% of the american public got some kind of government assistance. today the number is 49% almost. thomas jefferson said it best. "once public realizes you have treasury, the republic is doomed." you have too many people suc king it up. a politician is robbing peter to pay paul will always have paul's vote. we have to cut the size of the federal government by 90%. we need to abolish social security, medicare, food stamps, these are all social programs. host: the previous caller talk
that was tried by ronald reagan. nonsense. what are we continuing with this? the party has to show more empathy. not because i am successful i will think that everybody else is [indiscernible]. my parents instilled in the hard work. also, government systems or programs helped me to get an education. it helped me to be where i am today. host: loou is on the line from waterbury, connecticut -- lou. caller: i am a registered republican, but i have been voting libertarian since the mid-1990's. i...
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reagan kicked it off with you know we're all having to pay taxes so that the welfare queen can drive a cadillac down and get her welfare jacks a new york times said oh really where is this welfare queen oh i don't know and they went off looking for it for six months in new york times while looking for didn't exist that culture of victimization is still alive and well in the republican party and yeah i think that this is actually a very bad example that romney gave not just to his kids but everybody that's it for your take my take live thank you for all your calls if we didn't get to your calls and i trust back next week. after the break once upon a time in america there was a wall that separated the corporation from the government and today that wall has crumbled into a million pieces how do we rebuild that wall and make it higher than ever so that our nation can flourish without having to answer to corporate interests i'll tell you and tonight. it's. well listen to her science technology innovation all the islam elements from around russia we've got this huge earth covered. the emis
reagan kicked it off with you know we're all having to pay taxes so that the welfare queen can drive a cadillac down and get her welfare jacks a new york times said oh really where is this welfare queen oh i don't know and they went off looking for it for six months in new york times while looking for didn't exist that culture of victimization is still alive and well in the republican party and yeah i think that this is actually a very bad example that romney gave not just to his kids but...
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so eisenhower, fdr, ronald reagan and barack obama. i think the idea that barack obama does not have a historic mandate when 44 men have been president and seven did what he did in two terms, he got 69 million votes the first time, 62 million votes the second time, i think he has a mandate. the things to be done that are great in this election happened to fall on the progressive side, in part because the republican party and conservatism has gone so far right things that used to be centrist, like environmentalism, which was a teddy roosevelt thing which even richard nixon was in favor of. >> john mccain. >> newt gingrich. >> these things have been now reclassed as liberal, right. the victories that the president has a chance to get which are historic, like on climate change, on immigration, are now progressive ideas because they've been left behind. >> it's now almost up to the republican party to grab a piece of that pie to say this is our victory too when in reality if they had done it earlier -- >> let's don't get in debate about th
so eisenhower, fdr, ronald reagan and barack obama. i think the idea that barack obama does not have a historic mandate when 44 men have been president and seven did what he did in two terms, he got 69 million votes the first time, 62 million votes the second time, i think he has a mandate. the things to be done that are great in this election happened to fall on the progressive side, in part because the republican party and conservatism has gone so far right things that used to be centrist,...
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ronald reagan said he was against term limits when he left office, because he felt in america people should be allowed to pick the leaders they want. >> caller: i believe they should have the term limits because really -- and i'm speaking to you in my point i cannot speak for hispanics, but the majority of black people are looking at this, and never since the gop is going through -- would we help them. >> john: it's true. and this is what a lot of moderate republicans keep screaming about, that they are marginalizing themselves by doing this. and making their party smaller ever year. thank you for your call. >> caller: thank you. >> john: let's play a clip. >> i find someone even as high-ranking, frankly as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. we need a person of enormous prestige and influence so have these parties sit down together. we're crumbling all over the middle east. >> john: that was john mccain talking about how much work is needed to regain credibility. >> boy. that will hurt your head if you think about that too long. >> john: somebody should tell h
ronald reagan said he was against term limits when he left office, because he felt in america people should be allowed to pick the leaders they want. >> caller: i believe they should have the term limits because really -- and i'm speaking to you in my point i cannot speak for hispanics, but the majority of black people are looking at this, and never since the gop is going through -- would we help them. >> john: it's true. and this is what a lot of moderate republicans keep screaming...
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back in 1984, ronald reagan was incumbent president of the united states. he was running for reelection. his campaign had to raise money for the party even though he was taking the federal grant as everyone has until this year in the general election. ronald reagan attended in that year four fund raisers. >> compared to -- >> 221, so we have a president -- this is not an attack on obama. we have a president who is to some extent, not doing their job because they have to be off fund-raising. the romney people felt the same way. romney was heard to be complaining in his campaign that he couldn't go out and meet voters and do what he thought he had to do as a can at because he had to spend all of his time in closed rooms of wealthy people to fund raise in order to get his ads up for his campaign. he couldn't campaign. there's a great irony here and so you have two issues here. one is the time that the president is spending doing this rather than his job and what happens to a can at when the only people they meet and talk to and take questions for for months on
back in 1984, ronald reagan was incumbent president of the united states. he was running for reelection. his campaign had to raise money for the party even though he was taking the federal grant as everyone has until this year in the general election. ronald reagan attended in that year four fund raisers. >> compared to -- >> 221, so we have a president -- this is not an attack on obama. we have a president who is to some extent, not doing their job because they have to be off...
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ronald reagan liked barack obama and inherited a struggling economy. and reagan implemented policies 180 degrees opposite, instead of jacking up taxes. he cut taxes. instead of exploding spending and the debt he restrained the growth of spending instead of unleashing the hounds of regulators. when i think of regulators are can't help thinking of mr. burns saying release the hounds. instead of releasing the hounds of regulators on small-businesses and entrepreneurs reagan limited regulation and the result was one of the most extraordinary burst of economic productivity our nation has ever seen. the fourth year of reagan's presidency was 1984 precisely corresponding to the fourth year of obama's presidency. anyone know what gdp growth was in 1984? 7.2. seven.2%. our ideas work, there's don't. if you want growth, jobs, if you want twenty three million people struggling to find work to get jobs, the answer is simply you need growth. you have got to reduce and simplify the tax burden, reduced regulation and an shane small businesses and a entrepreneurs. it
ronald reagan liked barack obama and inherited a struggling economy. and reagan implemented policies 180 degrees opposite, instead of jacking up taxes. he cut taxes. instead of exploding spending and the debt he restrained the growth of spending instead of unleashing the hounds of regulators. when i think of regulators are can't help thinking of mr. burns saying release the hounds. instead of releasing the hounds of regulators on small-businesses and entrepreneurs reagan limited regulation and...
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ronald reagan tea party and the rest. the nation is changing, it is younger and less white. first thing the republicans ought to do is get rid of "o" in g.o.p., grand old party. they need an infusion of young and hispanic and black leaders. every time the republicans put one up, condoleezza rice or clarence thomas or whoever, nikki haley, they are being bashed as anti-women they have to keep trying. >> romney lost by two points. you spent decades at "new york times" which is most powerful news single entity. how do you see the political coverage of the "new york times"? >> i think there is no doubt most of reporters at the "new york times" lean democratic. there were reporters when george bush that were republican but the same reporters. i don't think you win because the "new york times" endorses you or doesn't endorse you. i think it's irrelevant. people aren't reading it as they used to. >> even journalistic study that president obama sailed in the primaries based on media affection. >> that is not going to help you overcome what he was up against. barack obama defied hist
ronald reagan tea party and the rest. the nation is changing, it is younger and less white. first thing the republicans ought to do is get rid of "o" in g.o.p., grand old party. they need an infusion of young and hispanic and black leaders. every time the republicans put one up, condoleezza rice or clarence thomas or whoever, nikki haley, they are being bashed as anti-women they have to keep trying. >> romney lost by two points. you spent decades at "new york times"...
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ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another country and so on and so forth. how that plays out will be key to what the party becomes. >> john: you can't win the white house with less than 40% of the latino vote. the pragmatic republican response would be let's find a pathway to citizen. you have sean hannity saying this now. >> what a conversion. >> john: everyone in politics -- >> how convenient. >> john: in fairness, both sides historically have cared more about electability than ideology. >> true. but this is a party who when bush did it, when democrats tried to bring forward a dr
ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another...
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reagan on social security reform we can add years of solvency and to medicare and do it and increase benefits like with obama care and we need both sides to be willing. i know the democrats are willing. president obama's willing to sit down at the table. what we don't need to do i can tell you is cut benefits. that's something that i don't think is the first thing that should be put forward. we have a lot of opportunity to continue to make reforms in medicare, make sure we build in more efficiencies to the program so we can add the years of solvency. >> what about eligibility age change? >> well, eligibility age change would fall in the realm of benefit cuts. we need to focus like i said first on making sure we build in more efficiencies to the program. we have been able to from obama care make sure that with that $716 billion in savings plowed in to waste, fraud and abuse -- fighting waste, fraud and abuse we have collected more than $10 billion in fraudulent medicare payments and we can make more progress in that area, as well. >> thank you so much. i greatly appreciate you joining
reagan on social security reform we can add years of solvency and to medicare and do it and increase benefits like with obama care and we need both sides to be willing. i know the democrats are willing. president obama's willing to sit down at the table. what we don't need to do i can tell you is cut benefits. that's something that i don't think is the first thing that should be put forward. we have a lot of opportunity to continue to make reforms in medicare, make sure we build in more...
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in a nutshell, what ronald reagan understood was a conservatism was not defined by its resentment. but which actually had a smile on its face. much like reagan himself. that is why it into a curious sort of way, it seems republicans, not out of breath out -- not out of nostalgia am i think for conservatives you can do a lot worse thing go back and look at the real reagan. the pragmatic reagan. the reagan who was willing under certain circumstances to raise taxes. the reagan willing to put dick on his ticket in '76 or george bush four years later. >> the tax policies that some precedent. do you think the fiscal cliff and the presence of the debt ceiling are enough to overcome this culture of obstruction? >> i am not sure it will overcome the culture of destruction. that is in many ways an outgrowth of the political system that we have built. on the other hand, you may not have to overcome the culture of obstruction. only have to pick up -- pick off x number members of congress. >> he said it was time for republicans to stopping this departed. whether you agree with that are not -- s
in a nutshell, what ronald reagan understood was a conservatism was not defined by its resentment. but which actually had a smile on its face. much like reagan himself. that is why it into a curious sort of way, it seems republicans, not out of breath out -- not out of nostalgia am i think for conservatives you can do a lot worse thing go back and look at the real reagan. the pragmatic reagan. the reagan who was willing under certain circumstances to raise taxes. the reagan willing to put dick...
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ronald reagan decisively won that. we did not want to continue that sad and torn history. it is not like we were naiive about the challenge. for a lot of reasons, not all of them, you know we did not execute. strategicly, myself and others could have done a better job. the president said that he had an off night. it is not like we had one glaring mistake. but not a solid performance. governor romney had a strong performance and we knew that. even when he took a flyer against ted kennedy. he dominated the debate performance. we knew it was a strength of governor romney. just showing up on the stage and, you know, he was going to come out of the debate like that. we knew that. he was too low. romney is always go to get 47 and 48 and 49 in states like virginia and florida and virginia. we were not go to win the first debate. he was the only person on that stage that had something to gain out of the first debate. but obviously we had a poor performance and he had a very strong performance. we said it publicly and most did not believe at the time. i think it is now the truth. t
ronald reagan decisively won that. we did not want to continue that sad and torn history. it is not like we were naiive about the challenge. for a lot of reasons, not all of them, you know we did not execute. strategicly, myself and others could have done a better job. the president said that he had an off night. it is not like we had one glaring mistake. but not a solid performance. governor romney had a strong performance and we knew that. even when he took a flyer against ted kennedy. he...
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i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a dficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill and a supportive president, and democrats and republicans. i don't see any of those ingredients today to do tax reform in 2013, 2014. >> especially ifhe esident going to have a new treasury secretary. itim geithner, this has sort of been his-- tim geithner wanted to be behind tax reform, wanted to be the force behind corporate tax reform. that might speak to tim geithner staying on a little long fer they think they can get something done in the first six months. >> why is anything different now? why is anything different in the second term? >> good point. >> i'll turn the hosting to you. >> mart
i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a dficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill...